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Supernatural Fanfic: Into the Jungle (1/1)

Pen and Ink 2
Disclaimer: Not mine. No harm, no foul.
Characters: John, Mary
Spoilers: 1x01 only
Rating: R for violence
Story notes: 2,500 words. Pre-canon setting.
Betaed by [info]the_shoshanna, who did an amazing job and went above and beyond to hammer this thing into shape. Thank you very much!


Into the Jungle

The first time John saw Mary, he hardly noticed her – not her as a person. He just saw a round-eyed woman in fatigues, the drab, shapeless green revealing only hints of curves when she moved.

Later, he was never sure it really had been Mary.


Feedback of all types - positive and negative - is much appreciated.

Comments

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[info]without_me wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 12:51 am (UTC)
Holy cow, Sylvia, how do you do it? That was insanely good--not that I expected anything else, but... wow. Just, wow.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 01:31 am (UTC)
It's ridiculous how relieved I am that you like the story - in spite of the lack of Dean and Sam. *g* Thank you very much for letting me know!

I've been nervous about "Into the Jungle" for a variety of reasons, and I don't even know why I wrote this down when I thought I'd be content to have it sitting in the back of my head, but... well, I'm just really glad you like it. :-)
[info]without_me wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 06:25 am (UTC)
I'm both flattered and mildly alarmed that you care so much about my opinion--but fear not, this is marvelous work. And now I should go and rec it.
[info]lilacsigil wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 01:33 am (UTC)
This was astounding and terrifying, and watching John and Mary's brutal fight to survive get put behind them, only to return and take Mary away, was a dreadful thing. I'd never thought of Mary in Vietnam, though there's no reason why not, and her determined, necessary actions are so like John's and Sam's that it frightens me. (and makes me wonder where Dean's kindness and love for his family came from, but maybe there was a space for someone to take that role back in America.)
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 03:41 pm (UTC)
I'm very glad the story had such a strong emotional impact on you!

her determined, necessary actions are so like John's and Sam's that it frightens me

Yes... Sam has been getting there in the last couple of episodes, hasn't he? This hadn't occurred to me yet - probably because I wrote out this story in my head before the season even began - but you're absolutely right that there's a parallel.

makes me wonder where Dean's kindness and love for his family came from, but maybe there was a space for someone to take that role back in America

Outside of a war zone, I'm certain that neither John nor Mary were unkind or unloving. In a situation where there is simply no room for anything but the fight for survival, people are stripped right down to the steel at their core - that doesn't mean that that's all there is to them.

Thank you very much for letting me know what you thought! :-)
[info]synecdochic wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 07:36 am (UTC)
oh my holy fucking god, this is stunning. stunning.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 03:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much - I'm very glad indeed you think so! :-)
[info]ivorygates wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 07:45 am (UTC)
Um... I don't read SPN fic, though I watch the show, but I think I would like to have your children.

This is incredibly awesome.

Amazing writing. Amazing characterization. Gut-wrenching.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'm very glad the story had such a strong impact on you - and that the characterization worked for you, in particular. It's great that these versions of John and Mary were real to you!

Would you mind if I asked how you came across this story if you don't read in the fandom? You don't need to tell me, of course - I'm just curious. :-)
[info]ivorygates wrote:
Nov. 5th, 2007 08:46 am (UTC)
*g* happy to oblige! [info]synecdochic said 'omg you must see this!' and, well, she's usually right about things like that, so i did.

i'm glad i did...
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 5th, 2007 11:21 pm (UTC)
Ooh, now I'm very glad I asked - it's really wonderful synecdochic thought the story was good enough to recommend to you! :-)

Thanks again! :-)
[info]ivorygates wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 12:19 am (UTC)
Which reminds me I should go pimp it to what will be my very baffled flist. But hey. They survived me pimping that awesome House/Batman xfer a while back... *snicker*
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 12:57 pm (UTC)
*blush* Wow, thank you for pimping! I really wasn't sure anyone would want to read this at all - it's great to see that I was wrong. :-)

Also, now I think I have to go and find that crossover. *g*
[info]ivorygates wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 12:59 pm (UTC)
It's, um, around here *somewhere*...

(and yes. you *were* wrong)
[info]flambeau wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 09:16 am (UTC)
Whoa. Unexpected and gritty and hard as nails and really, whoa. I like it. :)
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
I'm very glad indeed that you like it! I know it's unexpected, particularly in terms of characterization - and I'm happy to hear that it worked even so.

Thanks for letting me know! :-)

[info]luvsabitch wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 10:34 am (UTC)
I don't usually read John or Mary stories but something about you summary drew me in. This was an unusual idea brilliantly executed. Well done!
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC)
I don't usually read John or Mary stories

Then we're a good match - I don't usually write them, either. *g*

I'm glad my summary was able to snag you - and even more glad that you liked the story! Thank you very much for your lovely feedback. :-)
[info]porntestpilot wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2007 04:19 pm (UTC)
Oh man. Wicked, that is a completely vicious method of storytelling --that is fantastic.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 5th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
that is a completely vicious method of storytelling

Strangely enough, that is one of the nicest compliments I can imagine! (Maybe I should be worried about what this says about me... on second thought, naaah. *g*)

Thank you very much for your lovely feedback! :-)
[info]green_grrl wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 03:50 am (UTC)
I followed [info]' rec here. What a fantastic, real backstory for John, and Mary, and what shaped John into the man he became. Beautifully done.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much for your lovely feedback!

It will sound odd, but when I started writing this story I honestly wasn't expecting it to explain so much about canon John to me - but then it all fell into place, and I've come out of the experience feeling that I understand the man far better now.

I just wasn't certain whether anyone who read the story would feel something similar - and I am very glad indeed that you do. :-)
[info]cofax7 wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 03:52 am (UTC)
WOW. Wasn't that interesting.

I wonder... I'm assuming you've read Tim O'Brien's The Things They Carried?

Very creative and intriguing premise.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 01:09 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much! It's great that you liked the premise and what I did with it - the story *is* a rather radical departure from most pre-canon scenarios I've seen, particularly where Mary is concerned, and I wasn't at all sure that many readers would want to follow me into this particular jungle. So... I'm glad you did. :-)

I'm assuming you've read Tim O'Brien's The Things They Carried?

No, I haven't - but maybe I should?
[info]cofax7 wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC)
That you haven't read it is rather more astonishing, given this story. *g*

And yes, it's highly recommended -- it's a series of stories set in Vietnam (and before and after). Compelling and gritty and very very well written.
[info]jdsgirlbev wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 04:24 am (UTC)
I liked that very much indeed. One small detail, if you don't mind it... Charlie rather than the Charlies.

Would you mind cross-posting this at The Backroads: The Journeys of John Winchester? Or I can do it if you wouldn't mind... http://community.livejournal.com/the_backroads
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed the story - thank you for letting me know! :-)

Also, thank you for catching the mistake I made about Charlie... I'm going to change it right away.

The Backroads: The Journeys of John Winchester?

Wow, more and more wonderful SPN comms are popping up all the time! Of course, please do feel free to post the story. I'm very flattered that you would want to. :-)
[info]jdsgirlbev wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2007 02:10 pm (UTC)
Thanks for permission to post at the Backroads...it'll be up later this morning! :)
[info]vofpracticality wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2007 10:13 am (UTC)
Great Job
This was really well written. It does not require the reader to have previous knowledge of the characters. The story tells us what we need to know with plenty of depth. I have only a passing familiarity with Supernatural but this story was a joy to read. Please keep writing. Oh yeah, brought here by [info]ivorygates rec post.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 12th, 2007 09:33 am (UTC)
Re: Great Job
Thank you very much for your lovely feedback - I'm very glad you liked the story! And it's a wonderful compliment that you enjoyed it even without being a Supernatural fan... it makes me feel like I succeeded in portraying the characters as multi-dimensional human beings, even in this short space. :-)

Please keep writing.

Thank you for this encouragement, too. :-) It came at a moment where I really needed it...

Plus, I love your icon. *g*
[info]embroiderama wrote:
Nov. 13th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC)
This is such a unique vision of Mary--I love it!
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 14th, 2007 09:35 am (UTC)
I'm very glad that you liked this Mary! She is a rather radical departure both from Canon!Dean's imaginings in WIaWSNB and from most other fandom speculations I've seen, and it's great to hear that she rang true to you even so. :-)

Thank you for letting me know you enjoyed the story!

Also, your icon is lovely. :-)
[info]vaznetti wrote:
Jan. 26th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
This was amazing. I love the way you've redone the usual (fanon) dynamic between Mary and John. I can really believe in this Mary, too, and this relationship -- and that these are Sam and Dean's parents, as well. And it makes a great deal of sense of John, too.

Amazing. Thanks for writing it.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Jan. 28th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
It's wonderful to hear that the story worked so well for you!

One of my main goals in writing this story was to take both the character Mary and the relationship between her and John into an unexplored direction - while staying true to canon, and of course painting a plausible picture of what might have been. To me, this backstory explains aspects of John that I hadn't truly "gotten" before; in a sense, I've explained him to myself. :-) I'm very glad that I've succeeded with all of this!

Thank you very much for your lovely feedback! This was a difficult story to write for many reasons, and knowing that you enjoyed reading it makes me glad. :-)
[info]dotfic wrote:
Mar. 28th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
Wow, powerful story and an angle on Mary that had never occurred to me. John and Mary come across so vividly in this, I could see it going this way. More heartbreaking than canon, since they survived that horror together, and then to have her die in her own home.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Apr. 6th, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC)
It's great to hear you liked this take on Mary and that you could see things happening this way! When I wrote this story, I wasn't at all sure anyone would want to follow me into this particular universe...

This Mary is a radical departure from both Canon!Dean's imaginings in WIaWSNB and the other fanfic versions I've seen, but we still know so little about her that I wanted to see whether it was possible to take her in a completely different direction - and have it be both plausible and interesting. I'm very glad indeed that the story worked so well for you on that level.

More heartbreaking than canon, since they survived that horror together, and then to have her die in her own home.

You're right... in a way, this is even worse. As though canon wasn't already bad enough...

Among other things, writing this story has made me understand John far better than before, and as a result I already feel far more for him than I used to. It's not fun being a Winchester, that's for sure.

Thank you very much for your lovely feedback!
[info]irnan wrote:
Apr. 14th, 2008 02:55 pm (UTC)
I think I might love this even more than my own AU for these two.
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
May. 7th, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
That's a very high compliment - thank you very much! It's wonderful to hear the story worked so well for you.
[info]azephirin wrote:
Nov. 16th, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
Oh, man, this knocked my socks off. As much as I enjoyed the Mary we saw in "In the Beginning," this makes so much more sense to me—I completely see now how John, otherwise an unremarkable family man, could have embarked on the quest that he did. Thanks for this!
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
Nov. 19th, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
It's great to hear that you liked this version of Mary! When I wrote this story, all we'd ever seen of her in canon had been the gentle, sweet and nurturing wife and mother - I never was happy with that one-dimensional version. (I'm very glad canon has since revealed that Mary was much more... though I confess that I would have preferred it if she'd been a bit tougher, still. *g*)

Of course, in many ways this story is even more about John - how he sees the world, the drive behind his quest. So I'm also very happy that my attempt to explain this worked so well for you! :-)

Thank you for your wonderful feedback. :-)
[info]cantarina1 wrote:
May. 28th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
This is really, really fantastic. I love the tone you create, this take on such a fierce Mary. That she dies in the same way - after all of that - makes it even harder to grapple with!
[info]rheasilvia wrote:
May. 28th, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! :-) It's great my version of Mary appeals to you so much. Yes, she is indeed strong and fierce, maybe more so than John - I still regret that canon wasn't able to make her fierceness feel real, although they did lay the plot groundwork for it. Ah well...

I agree that this background skews the death scene, making it even more tragic in some ways. But I also feel that she is less a victim for her background as a fighter, a survivor, and a commander. She lost the battle, yes, but that happens to the most powerful fighter when the enemy is this overwhelmingly strong, and attacks from hiding. And she lived long enough to give one last command, and know it will be obeyed.

It's always wonderful to get feedback on an older story. :-) So thank you again!
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